Sectional density (SD) is the ratio of a bullet's weight in pounds to the square of its diameter in inches. Velocity flattens trajectory and makes hitting easier as the range increases. (I base this on the far zero ranges of the loads, as detailed above.). KPS values at the five yard increment closest to each load MPBR are included, to document the power of the loads near the longest range at which a responsible hunter should use them. (The .458 SOCOM is not included in this comparison, because its case is not straight walled.). On the other hand, the .50 Beowulf has a .447â³ rim diameter, which is the same as the 7.62x39mm cartridge used in the AK-47. Bullet placement is the most important factor in achieving quick, humane kills, so anything that makes hitting easier is desirable. I have local deal available for either the .450 Bushmaster or the .50 Beowulf. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I had the exact same question. 250 grain FTX: KPS at 100 yds. If it's more of a novelty cool gun, well the bigger the better. .350 Legend load in. The .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM have a .473â³ rim diameter, which is the same as other popular cartridges like the .30-06, .308, and .270 Winchester. ARCHIVED; AR-15 » AR Variants. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Our KPS parameters and results assume vital area hits, of course. Trajectory matters, because the flatter a bullet flies the easier it is to hit a target down range. Just curious. Unfortunately, the traditional lever rifle designs, with rear-locking bolts, cannot handle the .350 Legend cartridge, for the simple reason that its MAP is 55,000 psi, well above what most rear-locking lever designs were meant handle. Letâs look at the key differences: Power One of the biggest arguments for the .458 SOCOM is the ability to handle up to 600-grain. (I say this even though I have carried compact, short-action bolt rifles on the majority of my deer hunts.) Trajectories are rounded to one decimal place; yardage is noted in parentheses. Some straight wall handgun cartridges are chambered in rifles, notably the .357 Magnum, .44 Remington Magnum, .460 and .500 S&W Magnums. (An exception is the Savage Model 99.) In this article, the .350 Legend is evaluated against the .450 Bushmaster and .50 Beowulf. Pistol Length Upper Assemblies 5.56/.223; Rifle Length Upper Assemblies 5.56/.223; 50 Beowulf Upper 12.7X42 50 Cal. Given the looping trajectories, a self-imposed range limit of about 150 to 165 yards, depending on the cartridge/load combination, would be better. SimpliSafe is home security that is contract-free, easy-to-use, and customizable. 50 and 458 have their own advantages. The most significant thing about these numbers is that trajectory of all loads deteriorates quickly at ranges beyond 200 yards, with bullet drop at 250 yards roughly three to four times that at 200 yards, for all loads. The .450 Bushmaster canât handle even half of that. The other two arent. Something with power that I can hunt deer and pigs. A game animal hit somewhere other than in the vitals is not likely to go down cleanly, no matter the size, weight and impact energy of the bullet. At the end I will summarize results, muse about rifle platforms and make some concluding remarks. I have a 16" 450 and I shoot clover leafs all day at 100 with the hornady factory ammo and have dropped every whitetail where it stood. .450 Bushmaster, Hornady 250 grain FTX: 191 / 164, .350 Legend, Winchester 180 grain PP: 185 / 158, .500 Beowulf, Hornady 300 grain FTX: 174 / 149, .450 Bushmaster, Hdy. This does not bode well for these bullets penetrating deeply on heavy bodied animals. The cartridge was a joint development between Hornady and Bushmaster, and it was designed with a rebated rim that seats on the mouth of the cartridge. CURRENTLY SOLD OUT. = 47.5; KPS at 190 yds. = 54.1; KPS at 175 yds. of recoil in an eight pound field weight rifle. These two are probably more similar than different, but the devil is in the details. To me, the trajectory data indicate that taking hunting shots at ranges of 200 yards or more would be both irresponsible and futile with any of these loads. That said having a caliber that has limited bullet selection and bullets that aren't easy to get locally can be a PITA. These three cartridges are birds of a feather, in that they are straight wall case designs, sized to function in AR-15 rifle platforms. AR thumper .450 Bushmaster Vs. .50 Beowulf, Re: AR thumper .450 Bushmaster Vs. .50 Beowulf. .458 SOCOM vs. .450 Bushmaster Differences. It is very popular among whitetail hunters and will be around longer than 458 or 50 will be. (in the foreground), and .50 Beowulf, .450 Bushmaster and .458 Socom (in the background) is apparent. Copyright 2019 by Gary Zinn and/or chuckhawks.com. For all the .450 Bushmasterâs assets, economic shooting isnât one of them. Neophyte, small statured, and recoil adverse shooters would find the .350 Legend much more pleasant to shoot, so would shoot it better. The results are clear. Are AR-15 Type Cartridges Good for Hunting Deer? 300 grain FTX: KPS at 100 yds. When chambered for bigbore thumpers such as the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf, the AR-15 is as effective a dangerous game-stalking tool as any other rifle ever devised. Winchester quotes muzzle velocity (MV) values for its .350 Legend loads from both 16 inch and 20 inch rifle barrels. AR15 fanciers, long saddled with marginal deer cartridges, are likely to jump all over the cartridge. 250 grain FTX: KPS at 100 yds. This is typical of medium velocity cartridges in general. I, too, have lived and hunted only in areas where normal game hunting cartridges are legal, so I am also baffled by these regulations. .450 Bushmaster This is the smallest of the thumpers, with a bullet diameter of .452". [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 458 SOCOM vs. 450 Bushmaster vs. 50 Beowulf (Page 2 of 2) ARCHIVED; Previous Page. 6mm Creedmoor: Everything You Need To Know. Its mostly just something to mess with. The KPS scores of the Beowulf and Bushmaster loads indicate that they are suitable for use against Class 3 game. These, though, are powerful handgun cartridges that have found something of a second home in rifles, rather than being designed from the ground up as rifle cartridges. 450 BUSHMASTER UPPER; 458 SOCOM Upper; 5.56 NATO 223 Wylde Upper. For Class 2 game, a SD of .200 has long been considered about the minimum acceptable for medium range rifle cartridges. A well designed bolt rifle also carries and mounts well, but cycles slower than a lever gun. The size difference between .223 Rem. I don't really have a specific use for the set up. Shotgun Gauges Explained: 10 vs 12 vs 16 vs 20 vs 28 vs 410. The Legend looks like a prayer answered for those who hunt in areas where rifles are restricted to short, straight-walled cartridges. These loads should be fully Class 2 capable out to their MPBR distances. 4,000 BC: the wheel. = 22.6; KPS at 185 yds. The VSO Gun Channel is an educational resource of VSO Media LLC, a research and development/ Testing Evaluation firm. These are powerful loads, with 100 yard KPS values of 53.6 and 53.8 for the Beowulf and Bushmaster loads, respectively, while the SOCOM load has a 100 yard KPS of 58.7. Here are the velocity in feet-per-second (fps) and energy in foot-pounds (ft. Share - Magazine Follower 450 Bushmaster 458 SOCOM 50 Beowulf With 223 Adapter. .450 Bushmaster Vs .350 Legend Cost. = 54.1; KPS at 175 yds. Last edited by zardoz; 04-20-2018 at 02:07 AM. Magazine Follower 450 Bushmaster 458 SOCOM 50 Beowulf With 223 Adapter. Not the .450 SOCOM. Unfortunately, many such systems have no correlation with reality at all. This comparison only matters depending on which types of games you are focusing on. I think I am leaing towards the the .450 Bushmaster, I have a good supply of .452/.451 bullets, and there are more factory ammo options available if needed. my reasoning is it can use the same bullets i keep here for the 45-70. the bushmaster uses 452 bullets if i recall correctly. This is why I preach the, "never take a shot beyond MPBR, and closer is always better" doctrine. For instance, if the games are deers, the 450 is more than capable. The advantage of 50beo is, half inch holes. = 40.0, .450 Bushmaster, Hdy. .450 Bushmaster load 350 Legend vs 450 Bushmaster. 450 bushmaster is a saami spec round. McAdams compares the 50 Beowulf, 450 Bushmaster, and 458 SOCOM in his article. I believe the .450 ammo would be easier to come by. "It is my understanding that Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana have mandated that rifles shooting cartridges of at least .35 caliber with straight wall cases between 1.16 and 1.8 inches in length are now legal for use in what I believe Michigan calls the "limited firearms deer zone." A longer, smaller diameter projectile penetrates better than a shorter, fatter projectile of the same weight and construction, which only makes sense. 100-150 yards would be a unusual long shot for my hunting situations. However, for those affected (or afflicted) by such regulations, practically any rifle cartridge is more useful than a shotgun slug." 270 vs 308: Which One Should You Hunt With? (Formerly 'shotguns only,' I believe, for deer hunting.)". I wonât be shooting long range so shots are usually 50-75 yards avg. figures for our comparison loads at the muzzle, 100 yards and at the 5 yard increment nearest to maximum point blank range (see below). Winchester has announced that the Winchester XPR bolt action rifle will be chambered in .350 Legend. The .458 SOCOM guy Joined Feb 2001; Posts 3461; EE Offline; TX, USA. We estimate a rifle cartridge should generate a KPS of at least 12.5 at the range the bullet impacts to be a viable hunting cartridge for common Class 2 game, up to roughly 150 - 175 pounds (e.g., deer and pronghorn), while a KPS of 15.0 gives a margin of killing power for larger Class 2 game (up to 300 pounds). 180 grain PP: KPS at 100 yds. Here are the SD numbers for our comparison bullets, in descending order. = 47.5; KPS at 190 yds. Results are in descending order of MPBR yardage. Here are the loads I will evaluate and compare. Hornady 300 grain FTX - BC .200 (Handload, based on .50 Beowulf data in Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, 10th edition.). The .50 Beowulf uses standard .500" HANDGUN bullets....50 caliber RIFLE bullets are .510"... "...the Beowulf is not limited to only handgun bullets." 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Battle Of The Big Bore AR Cartridges. Hornady BLACK 250 grain FTX - BC .210, .50 Beowulf load The big question for me is whether a 260gr load going 1,850 fps from a 12" barrel and producing 5,500 psi at the muzzle is a problem for the Ti-Rant 45. But great choice I'm real happy with mine. I am looking at getting a new big bore upper for my AR15, either 450 bushmaster or 50 Beowulf. (Generally, a KPS of 30 to 32 may be considered a threshold power level for hunting Class 3 game.) case. Any short-action platform that handles the .223 Remington can be easily reworked to handle the .350 Legend cartridge. I am a firm believer in sighting-in hunting rifles and loads for maximum point blank range. Producing bolt action rifles in .350 Legend should be a snap. i don't have either but i do have a 458 socom. CMMG has announced an AR15 carbine (with a 16 inch barrel) in the cartridge, plus 5 and 10 round magazines. Then I, with helpful editorial support from Chuck, compared the .30-30 Winchester and the .350 Legend and the .35 Remington and the .350 Legend. AR-15 AK-47 Handgun Precision Rifles Armory Training Competitive Shooting General Outdoors Archery Hometown Industry. In truth it probably doesn't matter which I pick either now that I think about it. The bottom line is that there's no question that the Ti-Rant 45 is safe with .450 Bushmaster subsonic loads since the pressure at the muzzle is less than a 230gr .45 ACP from a 5" barrel. 6.5 Creedmoor Upper; 6.5 Grendel Upper; 6.8 SPC Upper; 7.62x39 Upper. Pistol Length Upper Assemblies 7.62x39; Rifle Length Upper Assemblies 7.62x39; AR 9 9mm PCC Upper I feel that a +/- 3-inch MPBR is appropriate for rifles used to hunt Class 2 game, including the cartridges being evaluated here. The 180 grain Legend load does not generate the killing power (KPS) of the larger, heavier loads, but the Legend generates much lower recoil and so will be easier for most of us to shoot accurately. = 33.6, .350 Legend, Win. However, I caution against making too much of this, given the submarginal sectional densities of the .45 and .50 caliber bullets. 45 RAPTOR Rifle Cartridge. As the acronym implies (Special Operations Command), members of special operations units were unhappy with the 5.56 rounds ability to bring down the enemy quickly and with as few shots as possible in combat while using platforms such as the M4 and M16.After deliberations and experimentation, the .458 SOCOM came to be in the early 2000âs. Why not consider the .458 SOCOM too? It uses a rebated rim cartridge case based on the .284 Win. That being said. Meanwhile, my limited experience with AR15s in the field is that they are unwieldy to carry and awkward to mount, but that may be just me. If you're planning to shoot it alot, go for the caliber that has the cheapest component bullets. Bullets from the three cartridges being evaluated, fired at a target within 200 yards, will go to ground by the time they fly 300 yards or less downrange. I have local deal available for either the .450 Bushmaster or the .50 Beowulf. The purpose of these comparisons was to make a thorough evaluation of how the .350 Legend stacks up in performance against two cartridges long proven to be effective and efficient at taking deer and similar game animals. Something with power that I can hunt deer and pigs. 300 grain FTX: +2.8" (100), -3.1" (175), -20.1" (250), .50 Beowulf, Hdy. The 458 SOCOM was designed for a very specific purpose. This may not be a great concern on deer and similar sized thin skinned game, because these large diameter bullets are going to deliver a lot of shock energy to the target, even if they do not always penetrate well. Winchester has published some vague promotional material with numbers that suggest that the .350 Legend generates about 12 percent lower recoil than a .30-30. MartytW. That's just my preference, having looked at both the 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf a lot before finally deciding on the SOCOM. The 45 RAPTOR is designed to shoot bullets ranging from 160 grains up to 395 grains giving end users a wide range of projectile options to meet their specific requirements. Briefly, here are the key results. One of the best, in terms of positive correlation with reality, has proven to be the G&S Online Rifle Cartridge Killing Power Formula. Shorter range shots improve the likelihood of placing a bullet in the right place. Note that this is a comparative system. and 23.1 ft. I crumpled an Antelope into a pile of Jello at 200 yards with it last fall using the factory 334 gr. All three loads get MPBR yardage and KPS scores that are adequate (greater than 15.0) for use against Class 2 game in general. 458 Socom can tackle the 600-grain, while 450 Bushmaster can handle half of this number. 250 grain FTX: +3.0" (100), -2.8" (190), -13.7" (250), .350 Legend, Win. The killing power analysis, below, sheds more light on this. 180 grain PP: KPS at 100 yds. The characteristics compared include velocity and energy, maximum point blank range and far zero, trajectory, sectional density, killing power and recoil. 5. â¦ I do not consider these to be Class 3 cartridges, KPS scores notwithstanding. Thanks guys, I am going to grab the .450 Bushmaster upper. The 16 inch barrel data are used here, along with .450 Bushmaster and .50 Beowulf data from 16-inch barrels, because 16 inches is the most prevalent barrel length for AR-15 rifles. SD affects penetration, as all other factors being equal (bullet construction, for example) the bullet with the highest sectional density will penetrate deepest. Energy is a measure of the work a bullet can do, which in this case means powering bullet penetration and expansion. These large diameter, straight wall cartridges should not be sighted-in and used for shots at or beyond 200 yards, as the trajectory data, below, confirms. I came up with a tentative recoil estimate that may or may not be accurate for the .350 Legend, 180 grain load, but it is the best I can do without verified powder charge data for the new cartridge. About AR15.COM. The abiding problem with medium and large bore bullets is that they must be quite heavy to have high sectional densities. Results are in descending order of MPBR. The MPBR numbers say that this is an over-reach, for the 180 grain load, as well as the cartridges and loads with which it is compared. However, if one were tempted to use these bullets on Class 3 or large Class 2 game, then potential poor penetration of low SD bullets becomes a real issue. .50 Beowulf, Hdy. in., and .1964 sq. This is a safety benefit, for it lessens the chance of an errant bullet striking a person or property somewhere far down range. This may be the only good reason for hunting regulations dictating short, straight wall cases with large caliber bullets. To summarize, the .350 Legend, 180 grain load, fits neatly between the Bushmaster and Beowulf loads in velocity, MPBR, and trajectory. The .450 Bushmaster is in the same class as a typical modern 45â70 load. = 16.6; The results are clear. The negative is ammo/brass supply. 300 grain FTX: KPS at 100 yds. Winchester Super-X 180 grain Power Point (PP) - BC .221. 243 vs 308 vs 7mm-08: Which Is Right For You? The .450 Bushmaster is a product of more modern times. I am looking at getting a new big bore upper for my AR15, either 450 bushmaster or 50 Beowulf. Dittos for brass. All three cartridges are solid performers and there is quite a bit of overlap in their capabilities. I found an article by Gary Zinn that makes a pretty good case why the 350 Legend is better for Whitetails and larger game than the 450 â¦ Differences Between 450 Bushmaster And 458 Socom Power. Here at Guns and Shooting Online, we have made something of a cottage industry of evaluating the performance of the recently introduced .350 Legend cartridge, compared with other relevant cartridges. Obviously, to kill cleanly, any hunting bullet must penetrate into the animal's vitals, so hunting bullet SD is important. Lever action rifles, such as the Winchester Model 94, Marlin Model 336 and Henry Lever Action .30-30, carry and mount well and cycle fast when more than a single shot is needed. Page / 2 Next Page. Conversely, the abuse the Bushmaster and Beowulf heap on the shooter is not well rewarded by downrange performance. I wouldn't think there would be enough difference between the 3 to worry about. Winchester touts the .350 Legend as "designed for deer hunting out to 250 yards." Not the .450 SOCOM. By comparison, recoil of the .450 Bushmaster and .50 Beowulf loads calculate as 19.5 ft. lbs. The loads being compared are not clearly specified, which is why I say the information is vague. Paper test with the a few .308 rounds, 30-06, 450 bm and .50 beowulf against 2,700 sheets of paper #capcustoms #capstaycustom #crtacticaldefense Killing power is the most difficult factor to estimate, as there is no definitive scientific formula to apply. I have the .50 Beowulf and am very pleased with the accuracy and knock down power. It is also the most important factor when computing kinetic energy. Compared: Winchester .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster and .50 Beowulf. Chuck Hawks started by giving an overview of the cartridge itself in The Winchester .350 Legend. = 16.6. lbs., respectively, in eight pound rifles. I have studied the non-proprietary, small and large caliber cartridges designed to work in the AR15 platform. To illustrate, the 180 grain, .357" diameter bullet (SD .202) barely meets the minimum SD .200 rule of thumb; compare that with a 120 grain, .284" (7mm) diameter bullet, with a SD of .213. Remingtons coming out with 300 grain core loks that are exciting. Rifle cartridges with straight wall cases within the length range specified are not an everyday commodity. The first number for each load is its MPBR yardage, the second is the far zero yardage associated with the MPBR. Ditto for AR15 platforms, whether complete rifles or uppers. Evaluating recoil of the .350 Legend is shaky right now, because there is no body of reloading data that can be consulted to get load powder charges, a necessary variable in recoil calculations. This high-intensity MAP is no problem with bolt action and AR designs, but a lever rifle chambered in .350 Legend should have a front-locking bolt, such as the Browning BLR and Henry Long Ranger designs. 4.6 out of 5 stars 21 product ratings. Only a handful of them are any good for hunting, but the medium caliber .350 Legend may be one that prospers, not only in restricted cartridge areas, but in general. Energy is an important component of killing power, as will be discussed below. ââ¦hunters desiring a big bore ARâ¦have three mainstream choices: the .450 Bushmaster, the .458 SOCOM, and the .50 Beowulf. lbs.) All rights reserved. Winchester notes, "several other firearm manufacturers are gearing up" to produce rifles chambered in .350 Legend. I worked the numbers for a 250 grain.450 Bushmaster load, a 300 grain.458 SOCOM load and a 325 grain.50 Beowulf load. I would not trust the penetration of those bullets on large animals at distances much beyond 100 yards. 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